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they don't need to be nra members to have that feeling. the nra is powerful. these outside groups get more credit than they deserve. there's a bunch of people that own guns they don't need an nra sticker to feel passionate about that issue. >> we'll see you later on "morning joe." now to a developing overseas where american citizens are among dozens of people being held in a hostage standoff. this is unfolding now in the is a had-- sahara desert. dozens of hostages who work at the plant including americans. officials say at least two people were killed during the raid. the militants claim the take is revenge for france's military operation against rebels in neighboring mali. the u.s. providing assistance to that effort. take a listen to leon panetta talking about this standoff. >> by all indications this is a terrorist act and the united states strongly condemns these kinds of terrorist acts. it's a very serious matter when americans are taken hostage along with others. >> the algierian military says it has the oil compound is your rounded adding it will not n
they don't need to be nra members to have that feeling. the nra is powerful. these outside groups get more credit than they deserve. there's a bunch of people that own guns they don't need an nra sticker to feel passionate about that issue. >> we'll see you later on "morning joe." now to a developing overseas where american citizens are among dozens of people being held in a hostage standoff. this is unfolding now in the is a had-- sahara desert. dozens of hostages who work at...
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it was not the nra is so powerful. he paid tribute to the power of the american people to influence congress to say yes to some things that even congress is not inclined to say yes to. the only way we can change is if the american people demand it. and that doesn't mean from just certain parts of the country. we're going to need voices in those areas and those congressional districts where the tradition of gun ownership is strong to speak up. this will not happen unless the american people demand it. if parents and teachers, police officers and pastors, if hunters and sportsman if every american stands up and says enough, we suffered too much pain and care too much about our children to allow this to continue, then change will come. you know, in the letter that julia wrote me, she said i know that laws have to be passed by congress. but i beg you to try very hardly. julie, i will try very hard. but she's right. the most important changes we can make depend on congressional action. they need to bring these proposals up
it was not the nra is so powerful. he paid tribute to the power of the american people to influence congress to say yes to some things that even congress is not inclined to say yes to. the only way we can change is if the american people demand it. and that doesn't mean from just certain parts of the country. we're going to need voices in those areas and those congressional districts where the tradition of gun ownership is strong to speak up. this will not happen unless the american people...
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here's the point on the nra ad. many republicans have taken money and not one of them have come out and said that ad is over the top. do you think they should? >> oh, yeah, i think they should. i agree with andrea mitchell's question. why are we invoking the president's children here? why are we making a false equivalency for the president and his family and this issue? this is confusing. >> i'm waiting for speaker boehner to come out and say all of this talk about impeachment, civil war, this is not the republican party that i want to lead. don't make common cause as mitt romney did during the campaign. let's not get involved here with this sort of tactic. >> i don't think they're going to be doing it any time soon. they're taking their lead from the nra. and the nra came out and said it's prepared to do the battle of the century. barack obama, joe biden and their gun allies only want to blame you, vilify you and strip you of your second amendment freedoms. these lines are pretty clear here. is this where the repub
here's the point on the nra ad. many republicans have taken money and not one of them have come out and said that ad is over the top. do you think they should? >> oh, yeah, i think they should. i agree with andrea mitchell's question. why are we invoking the president's children here? why are we making a false equivalency for the president and his family and this issue? this is confusing. >> i'm waiting for speaker boehner to come out and say all of this talk about impeachment,...
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. >> adding bilt to the read beat rhetoric from the right t national rifle association, the nra ramping up its fight and defending its new ad featuring the president's daughters. >> it wasn't about the president's daughters, what it is about is the fact that this whole debate is how to keep children safe. we believe that every parent ought to be able to be comfortable knowing that their children are safe and if that requires armed security, it's as good for the working man as it is for the president. >> joining me from washington is nbc news capital hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. linds yay graham, his i'm confident that there will be bipartisan opposition and then roy blunt says that this is the president trying to curbs the rights of middle class americans. >> reporter: certainly we don't expect anything coming from the republican-led house so the pressure really falls on the senate democrats. and what we expect is that when they come back next week, of course we have got the inauguration and then senior aides tell us they plan to meet with the democrats within the senate to talk
. >> adding bilt to the read beat rhetoric from the right t national rifle association, the nra ramping up its fight and defending its new ad featuring the president's daughters. >> it wasn't about the president's daughters, what it is about is the fact that this whole debate is how to keep children safe. we believe that every parent ought to be able to be comfortable knowing that their children are safe and if that requires armed security, it's as good for the working man as it is...
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now, neither one of those guys have resigned from the board of the nra over the nra's sleazy use of the president's children and their use of the propaganda. we'll expose more members of the board of the nra coming up. and next, howard dean will join me with his reaction to the nra's tactics. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want when you need it. it's another reason more investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. i wish my patients could see what i see. ♪ that over time, having high cholesterol and any of these risk factors can put them at increased risk for plaque buildup in their arteries. so it's even more important to lower their cholesterol, and that's why, when diet and exercise alone aren't enough, i prescribe crestor. in a clinical trial v
now, neither one of those guys have resigned from the board of the nra over the nra's sleazy use of the president's children and their use of the propaganda. we'll expose more members of the board of the nra coming up. and next, howard dean will join me with his reaction to the nra's tactics. [ male announcer ] at scottrade, we believe the more you know, the better you trade. so we have ongoing webinars and interactive learning, plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our...
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> deet spite a lot of the nra -- the nra has a 41% favorability rating. you are right that it's a lot more favorable than some people might anticipate, and it's also been very stable. these numbers are almost identical to what we saw in 2011. of course, that was two years before the newtown shootings. the nra's negative numbers. the nra is in a better position heading into this fight than it was ten years ago. >> we talk about brands, chris alissa, the nra brand has been fairly toxic in many of the debates, the gun debates especially since newtown, but their membership base is broad and deep. is that where you read from this? >> i would say two things to take from it. one, andrea, and mark makes this point. one is that, look, the nra i think inside the beltway and in big cities in this country is akin to a curse word. it is not in the vast majority of the country. there is a disconnect that exists here about the nra. the second thing, and you hit on it, which is right, this is a membership organization four million strong. they continue to add members in
> deet spite a lot of the nra -- the nra has a 41% favorability rating. you are right that it's a lot more favorable than some people might anticipate, and it's also been very stable. these numbers are almost identical to what we saw in 2011. of course, that was two years before the newtown shootings. the nra's negative numbers. the nra is in a better position heading into this fight than it was ten years ago. >> we talk about brands, chris alissa, the nra brand has been fairly toxic...
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the nra has many members, i have no argument with them. i have a challenge with the leadership who sometimes think they can go run around in the halls of washington. they don't realize we have got more lobbyists out there and the sad fact of the matter is that we have all seen the blood, we have seen the shooting, we have seen the loss and if they want to have a fight, let's have a fight. the gun manufacturers want to take on the mayors of america? okay, guess who buys a whole lot of guns, police forces, so if you want to have that kind of a battle, let's have it. >> you made a good point at the beginning, this isn't just about gun control, you're talking about stopping gun violence. but part of the nra's message that's been so successful is that the kinds of things the president is talking about and that you and the other mayors are talking about is part of a slippery slope that you want to take away their guns. how do you convince them that what you're saying that you support the second amendment as opposed to what they're saying at the
the nra has many members, i have no argument with them. i have a challenge with the leadership who sometimes think they can go run around in the halls of washington. they don't realize we have got more lobbyists out there and the sad fact of the matter is that we have all seen the blood, we have seen the shooting, we have seen the loss and if they want to have a fight, let's have a fight. the gun manufacturers want to take on the mayors of america? okay, guess who buys a whole lot of guns,...
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endorsements, the nra's pac contributions and the nra's independent expenditures and found in fact you're pretty hard-pressed to find more than a handful of races where the nra's involvement made a difference. and they had a really bad year in november. they endorsed only seven senate candidates where they spent more than $100,000 in those races. six of those candidates lost. they spent more money i think on defeating barack obama because he was going to erase the second amendment from the constitution than they've ever spent to defeat anybody before, yet there he was today at the white house behind the podium talking about reasonable common sense gun laws. >> i thought the nra's advertisement lambasting the president for the security around his children was particularly offensive and a new low even by the leadership of that organization standards today. >> you know, we talked to nra members and we talked to gun dealers and we poll them. the truth is the average nra member has not been very happy with the performance that they've been seeing out of the nra's washington lobbyists lately. n
endorsements, the nra's pac contributions and the nra's independent expenditures and found in fact you're pretty hard-pressed to find more than a handful of races where the nra's involvement made a difference. and they had a really bad year in november. they endorsed only seven senate candidates where they spent more than $100,000 in those races. six of those candidates lost. they spent more money i think on defeating barack obama because he was going to erase the second amendment from the...
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this is the side of the century and i need you on board with the nra now more than ever. this ad is getting mixed but massive reviews online. many of you have contacted on facebook to share your opinions. we have some chilly air coming in during the day tomorrow. j-lo of colder air that has occurred thermometer readings down to 8 below zero at international falls and 19 at minneapolis. this is a look at where this snow will fall down to the south of us heavy in the mountains and look at this snow on the upper midwest. for us there is a big canadian high we jumped ahead monday and monday night that big guy comes southport but look at this little system that the afternoon weather services picked up on that brings a little bit of snow into the area as you can see right here 27 tomorrow and 41 friday. only nine on monday some chilly weather. a scary moment in portland oregon firefighters rescued a woman who was stuck between the walls of two buildings for several hours on sure of exactly how she got their but witnesses said they saw her climbing a second store wall in the mid
this is the side of the century and i need you on board with the nra now more than ever. this ad is getting mixed but massive reviews online. many of you have contacted on facebook to share your opinions. we have some chilly air coming in during the day tomorrow. j-lo of colder air that has occurred thermometer readings down to 8 below zero at international falls and 19 at minneapolis. this is a look at where this snow will fall down to the south of us heavy in the mountains and look at this...
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house and the nra. here to talk about it cnn contributor and consultant margaret hoover, charles blowe and david gergen. david, when you look at these proposals, are some of them non-starters? >> i think first of all, we have to say, anderson, many times in the past we have complained about a lack of leadership by president obama. this time he has stepped up. he is taking the lead. this is what a president who is really is committed does. >> he went big. >> he went big. you have to give him credit for that. his problem is that he is handicapped. he doesn't have enough power through the executive office to do this alone. most of these are small bore initiatives that he is going to do on his own. he needs the congress to get this done. and so far we have to bring politics into this, because this is a political matter in this tragedy. and so far he just does not have the public support. he can get the background checks done. i think that is very doable this year. but anderson, he doesn't have the support i
house and the nra. here to talk about it cnn contributor and consultant margaret hoover, charles blowe and david gergen. david, when you look at these proposals, are some of them non-starters? >> i think first of all, we have to say, anderson, many times in the past we have complained about a lack of leadership by president obama. this time he has stepped up. he is taking the lead. this is what a president who is really is committed does. >> he went big. >> he went big. you...
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need to stand up for nra. the nra just played played specifically into that strategy. >> i think we all agree on that. >> and they're wrong on the facts. the president basically said not that he is opposed to having more armed guards in schools, he is just saying he is skeptical that solves the problem in schools. and in fact the white house kept proposing more money for the safe schools program. and it was congress in 2012 that killed that money in congress. and if you look at the proposal they put forth today, they basically say, they explicitly say that if some schools want to have more armed guards, that's up to them. but we want to leave to it the local districts to decide on their own. >> which interesting, because you now have the nra arguing -- >> for larger government. >> for larger federal government, putting armed people like government troops into schools. as opposed to leaving them -- >> the nra came out with a proposal to put guards in schools, everybody from the president's party dumped on them.
need to stand up for nra. the nra just played played specifically into that strategy. >> i think we all agree on that. >> and they're wrong on the facts. the president basically said not that he is opposed to having more armed guards in schools, he is just saying he is skeptical that solves the problem in schools. and in fact the white house kept proposing more money for the safe schools program. and it was congress in 2012 that killed that money in congress. and if you look at the...
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now, the nra talks about gun rights, but what about the rights of those people, sir? >> well, i think that we're at a unique moment in time. and, martin, we all know that we're now at the hard part. we know that we're at a moment where if we're ever going to get reasonable gun control measures, many of which were supported by president ronald reagan when he worked to pass the assault weapons ban in 1994 when the ban only passed by two votes, that we're going to have to act right now. i think programs like yours are essential to explain how hard this fight is going to be and how motivated every single person that has ever wanted to do anything about this issue needs to do it right now. the president has put his personal prestige behind trying to get this gun. the vice president has worked on common sense reforms, but everybody who is through anything like what you just n d named in cities and communities across the united states of america need to understand that this is going to be hard, tough, long and la boroborious, but it going to be worth it. >> congressman moran
now, the nra talks about gun rights, but what about the rights of those people, sir? >> well, i think that we're at a unique moment in time. and, martin, we all know that we're now at the hard part. we know that we're at a moment where if we're ever going to get reasonable gun control measures, many of which were supported by president ronald reagan when he worked to pass the assault weapons ban in 1994 when the ban only passed by two votes, that we're going to have to act right now. i...
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highlighting nra intransigence is part of the strategy. momentum for change may be starting to fade. 56% now favor an assault weapons ban compared to 62% immediately after newtown. 58% support a ban on extended magazines. last month, that was 62%. however, expanded background checks remains popular with 87% supporting checks on gun show purchases. we'll have more on the politics shortly. first, the personal two takes on what happened at the white house today. lexi holler, the uncle of noah posner joins us along with colin goddard, slot four times at virginia tech. >>> i was wondering what your reaction was to what you heard? >> well, based on what we heard before, the announcement when the families met with the president and the vice president and during the announcement itself, i was satisfied and pleased to see that the administration is treating this so seriously. i think the strong sense i got was that they were determined to make a major change here and to inact significant reforms that would put a stop to this kind of violence. >> ar
highlighting nra intransigence is part of the strategy. momentum for change may be starting to fade. 56% now favor an assault weapons ban compared to 62% immediately after newtown. 58% support a ban on extended magazines. last month, that was 62%. however, expanded background checks remains popular with 87% supporting checks on gun show purchases. we'll have more on the politics shortly. first, the personal two takes on what happened at the white house today. lexi holler, the uncle of noah...
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. >> nra described its opposition to the president's plan as quote the fight of the century but the gun lobby says it is open to the idea of expanding background checks. >>> in an exclusive cbs 5 survey poll, more than two thirds of the people in the bay area say they support a ban. >>> you think your area code is safe? people in the bay area who may be forced to give theirs up whether they like it or not. >> all dream liners grounded because of a problem, we are used to seeing in laptops. >>> how a woman wound up stuck between two buildings, and what it took to get her out. >>> in december, santa rosa has more than 11 inches of rainfall. now, this month, they are at 11% of normal rainfall. how long will that change stick around. your weekend forecast coming up so if you have a flat tire dead battery need a tow or lock your keys in the car, geico's emergency roadside assistance is there 24/7. oh dear, i got a flat tire. hmmm. uh... yeah, can you find a take where it's a bit more dramatic on that last line, yeah? yeah i got it right here. someone help me!!! i have a flat tire!!! well it'
. >> nra described its opposition to the president's plan as quote the fight of the century but the gun lobby says it is open to the idea of expanding background checks. >>> in an exclusive cbs 5 survey poll, more than two thirds of the people in the bay area say they support a ban. >>> you think your area code is safe? people in the bay area who may be forced to give theirs up whether they like it or not. >> all dream liners grounded because of a problem, we are...
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today it's the nra. and the budget debate, it's going to be other groups. >> aarp. >> this is an interesting test case about whether this congress and this administration are able to stand up to narrow interests. as big as the gun-control debate is, the stakes are bigger than just that. >> and it's a great test, as i've said, mika, for my republican party. >> yeah, it is, and for the democrats, actually, in terms of the gun debate. kelly, stay with us. >>> coming up, we'll talk to former senator jim demint, nbc's tom brokaw and reverend al sharpton and the creative director of american "vogue" magazine, grace codington will be joining us. that's really cool. >>> up next, the top stories in the "politico playbook." first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill. >> mika, it's a big deal when it snows in the deep south. and it's happening this morning. mississippi waking up to snow to the delight of millions of children through the southeast. there's more on the way. look out, virginia, and e
today it's the nra. and the budget debate, it's going to be other groups. >> aarp. >> this is an interesting test case about whether this congress and this administration are able to stand up to narrow interests. as big as the gun-control debate is, the stakes are bigger than just that. >> and it's a great test, as i've said, mika, for my republican party. >> yeah, it is, and for the democrats, actually, in terms of the gun debate. kelly, stay with us. >>>...
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shows a vast majority of those questioned support gun checks or purchases of guns and ammunition but nra put out a video attacking the president personally. >> it's just another hypocrite. >> in burlingame, nra inspector says his phone has been ringing off the hook. we're law abiding citizens. once again, they're being caused by antidepressants and violent video games. we don't need to do background checks. >> it's expected the president will have a battle in the rin-led house and in the senate there are a dozen or so senators from conservative states who are vulnerable on this issue and may be uncomfortable with what the president is proposing. >> and. >> what about dianne feinstein? >> she pushed through the first ban in 1994 and she's in favor whaft president had to say and she's a force in the bat. -- senate. >> there is talk in congress about passing stricter gun controll laws from tightening loopholes and roifring reporting of ammunition purchases and a proposal to do background checks on people before they buy ammunition and require a permit to proceed with the sale. >> this is am
shows a vast majority of those questioned support gun checks or purchases of guns and ammunition but nra put out a video attacking the president personally. >> it's just another hypocrite. >> in burlingame, nra inspector says his phone has been ringing off the hook. we're law abiding citizens. once again, they're being caused by antidepressants and violent video games. we don't need to do background checks. >> it's expected the president will have a battle in the rin-led house...
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. >> the white house is also up against the nra, which is raising money. e-mailing support, to upgrade their membership to prepare for, quote, the fight of the century. barack obama, joe biden and their gun ban allies in it congress only want to blame you, vilify you, bully you and strip you of your second amendment freedoms. nra president david keen made these slippery slope argument that has become all too familiar from them. this morning on the "today" show. >> you get into the sort of bidding match. they say we shouldn't have a 30-round magazine or 20-round. the president says let's have a ten. the governor of new york says well, i can top that, we'll have a seven-round magazine. >> but did the nra go too far by invoking president obama's daughters, even before he spoke in a video attack? keene defended the decision this morning with savannah. >> it wasn't about the president's daughters. what it is about is the fact that -- >> the ad does mention the president's daughters. >> it's how to keep children safe. >> finally, as we gear up for the president'
. >> the white house is also up against the nra, which is raising money. e-mailing support, to upgrade their membership to prepare for, quote, the fight of the century. barack obama, joe biden and their gun ban allies in it congress only want to blame you, vilify you, bully you and strip you of your second amendment freedoms. nra president david keen made these slippery slope argument that has become all too familiar from them. this morning on the "today" show. >> you get...
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>> what did you object to in that nra ad? >> for those of us in the political business, generally it's been pretty much an unwritten but understood rule that family and children are out of bounds, that you don't attack someone's family, if you want to attack the candidate or the elected official, certainly that's your prerogative but generally family has been considered off limits, and that doesn't add anything to legitimate dialogue that really needs to take place on the issues of public safety and gun regulations. >> although some people are also criticizing president obama for surrounding himself with children, when he held his news conference on his gun control plans yesterday. should children be used in that instance? >> i don't think those children were "used." they were there at an event, they wrote letters to the president. he talked about the letters that they wrote. they're very concerned that something as horrific as newtown, connecticut, or things that happened on the streets in philadelphia, chicago, new york, wa
>> what did you object to in that nra ad? >> for those of us in the political business, generally it's been pretty much an unwritten but understood rule that family and children are out of bounds, that you don't attack someone's family, if you want to attack the candidate or the elected official, certainly that's your prerogative but generally family has been considered off limits, and that doesn't add anything to legitimate dialogue that really needs to take place on the issues of...
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and nonetheless, the nra is prevailing why is that? >> 55% is a good number. seeing is a reaction of what happened in 2010. a lot of the same with this trucks that are safe and republicans their only concern is to be challenged from the far right. that is what controls the house and the agenda. so many people are saying that is president obama going to make the senate walk the plank of will probably lose of a house. >> if that is the case and where is this ground swell from law-enforcement. from people that are worried about gun violence? escalating. >> the president started to talk about this that it is not just the suburban mom. >> why have we not seen that? >> we have this tremendous campaign apparatus. he could probably start to try to mobilize fast. but the question is that hahow far does it go? >> is it sandy hook going to be a risk of a memory in the public consciousness. >> it is just a congress cannot get anything done. this could be another example of michael, thank you as always. >> this online debate rages. rob: i think everyone needs to take a ste
and nonetheless, the nra is prevailing why is that? >> 55% is a good number. seeing is a reaction of what happened in 2010. a lot of the same with this trucks that are safe and republicans their only concern is to be challenged from the far right. that is what controls the house and the agenda. so many people are saying that is president obama going to make the senate walk the plank of will probably lose of a house. >> if that is the case and where is this ground swell from...
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i was a-rated with the nra. the bottom line is that the president of the united states, democrats and even some moderate republicans are going to be right on an issue where 85% of americans now want complete background checks. over 60% of americans believe that assault weapons should be banned just like ronald reagan believed that assault weapons should be banned. i mean this is one more example of how the republican spaert is going to be on the wrong side of history, fighting for survivalists who need assault weapons instead of fighting for lower corporate tax rates to make our country more competitive across the nation. it's the same thing like in the last primary. we were talking about contraception. something that was resolved in 1965 by the u.s. supreme court. instead of talking about the fact that democrats and the senate under harry reid haven't put a budget out for 1357 days. we're always choosing the wrong fight. >> hang on, joe. >> we're on the wrong side on a lot of these issues. >> is your friend and
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the nra came out with an ad that's really touched a lot of nerves. again, we're talking about whether or not teachers or security guards or somebody in schools should be armed. a lot of people, this is a controversial ad. take a look. >> the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? mr. obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes, but he's just another elitist hypocrite when it comes to fair share to security. protection for his kid and gun-free zones for ours. >> so the debate is that going too far? it's one thing to have your feelings about the second amendment and what that actually means, and it's another thing to drag the president's children into the debate. >> clearly, the president's kids are always a bigger target. >> no matter whether republican or democratic president. >> i still don't understand why there can't be a debate about the way we can still have weapons that are reasonable -- it shouldn't be
the nra came out with an ad that's really touched a lot of nerves. again, we're talking about whether or not teachers or security guards or somebody in schools should be armed. a lot of people, this is a controversial ad. take a look. >> the president's kids more important than yours? then why is he skeptical about putting armed security in schools, when his kids are protected by armed guards at their school? mr. obama demands the wealthy pay their fair share in taxes, but he's just...
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on the other side is the nra, which has a huge grassroots organization. they are trying to mobilize their own voters. you saw that e-mail. we spoke yesterday about this provocative ad talking about the president's children are protected by people who bear arms. so you can be sure that the nra is going to continue to be just as aggressive as the obama supporters on all of this. >> you know, the reaction from republicans to what the president did yesterday, signing 23 executive orders, if you will, has been very intense. rick perry, the republican governor of texas saying this. the second amendment to the constitution is a basic right of free people and cannot nor will it be abridged by the executive power of this or any other president. at least so far, we're not seeing a whole lot of opportunity for real substantive negotiations. >> no. and, of course, rick perry is a governor that once suggested that texas secede from the union and ran for the presidency himself. wolf whark we're hearing is a lot of second amendment talk, the president want to take away
on the other side is the nra, which has a huge grassroots organization. they are trying to mobilize their own voters. you saw that e-mail. we spoke yesterday about this provocative ad talking about the president's children are protected by people who bear arms. so you can be sure that the nra is going to continue to be just as aggressive as the obama supporters on all of this. >> you know, the reaction from republicans to what the president did yesterday, signing 23 executive orders, if...
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i also wasn't thrilled with the nra bringing up the president's kids. i think they should leave the president's kids alone. >> let me address both of points. i think you have a point on the first count. however, what he does is engage in a basic logical fallacy and there are so many of them. we're littered with them in washington. argument add nasa yum where if you repeat something often enough, it's true. if you attack the person, you sabotage the truth. now we have what i coined argumentative add feelyum, that if you appeal to the children and think the -- say the children think we should do this, therefore it is a correct and good thing to do. that's ridiculous. we need to grow up when it comes to both rhetoric and public policy debate. on the point about the nra, pointing to the fact that the obama children have armed guards and most children do not, i think it's an entirely different sphere of public policy. it is a legitimate point. and for the white house and in particularly for michelle and barak obama, who have no problem dragging their daughte
i also wasn't thrilled with the nra bringing up the president's kids. i think they should leave the president's kids alone. >> let me address both of points. i think you have a point on the first count. however, what he does is engage in a basic logical fallacy and there are so many of them. we're littered with them in washington. argument add nasa yum where if you repeat something often enough, it's true. if you attack the person, you sabotage the truth. now we have what i coined...
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violence in the wake of the sandy hook school shooting but his proposals are meeting resistance by the nra and some members in congress. >> it's a shame he's using this situation for political reasons. >>> and trick play. notre dame football star manti te'o says he's the victim of an aelaborate hoax in which he was led to believe that the woman he thought was his girlfriend had died. this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, january 17th, 2013. >>> good morning, everybody. good to be with you. i'm terrell brown. we begin in north africa this morning. at l
violence in the wake of the sandy hook school shooting but his proposals are meeting resistance by the nra and some members in congress. >> it's a shame he's using this situation for political reasons. >>> and trick play. notre dame football star manti te'o says he's the victim of an aelaborate hoax in which he was led to believe that the woman he thought was his girlfriend had died. this is the "cbs morning news" for thursday, january 17th, 2013. >>> good...